The man born Robert Diggs, but known to the world as RZA, is one of the nine or 10 most important people in the history of hip hop. The prolific rapper, producer and composer is massively influentialโwith a sound as distinctive as it is universally aped. And heโs a founding memberโand the spiritual leaderโof one of the most exclusive clubs in hip hop: the Wu-Tang Clan, the nine-piece rap crew that changed the face of hip hop in the early 1990s, with stark, hypnotic, menacing beats and hardcore lyrics littered with references to kung fu movies, comic books and chess strategy. In addition to producing the records of the Wu-Tang Clan, and their many spin-offs and affiliates, RZA has had a prolific solo career, releasing records under his own name and under the guise of Bobby Digital, including last yearโs Digi Snacks. Since 1999, he has been composing music for films and television, including work on Jim Jarmuschโs Ghost Dog, Quentin Tarantinoโs Kill Bill and the popular anime series Afro Samurai, starring Samuel L. Jackson. Heโll perform at the New Oasis, 2100 Victorian Ave., Sparks, on Saturday, Feb. 7.
Youโre playing here on February 7th. What can people expect at the show?
They can expect to have a good time, first things first, you know what I mean?
What material are you going to be doing? Is it going to be Bobby Digital stuff? New material?
I kind of do a mix of things, depending on the vibe of it, and how much energy the crowdโs got. Sometimes you get to a crowd that want to listen and hear, so Iโll do stuff thatโs kind of insightful. Sometimes Iโll get a crowd of people thatโs drunk and want to jump up and down and go crazy with me. So I like to measure the crowd. Thereโs a few songs I always do, know what I mean? Definitely got to do a few songs off of Digi Snacksโbecause I have so much fun performing that.
I really like that track, โYou Canโt Stop Me Now.โ
Oh, I always do that track. Thatโs one of my favorite tracks.
Itโs a cool song. I might be wrong, but it sounds like itโs based on the old Temptations song, โMessage from a Black Man.โ Am I right?
Yeah, that was one of the original bands that recorded it. It was recorded about 50 different versions to date. Reggae artists โฆ it was such a big song in the โ70s that a lot of people recorded it over and over. The version that inspired me is a version from a band called the Whatnauts.
One of my favorite things that youโve ever been involved with was the soundtrack for the movie Ghost Dog, which I think that was the first movie โฆ
Yeah, my first score.
How is doing film scores different from doing regular albums?
Well, in most cases the difference is that you donโt have total control over what you want to do. But with Ghost Dog, I had control, because Jim Jarmusch was a gracious directorโhe was looking for me to be me. But for some of the other films Iโve worked on, Iโm at the mercy of the studio, at the mercy of the director, and sometimes it kind of hinders โฆ not creativity, but it hinders experimentation. You know, when you make music, you want to experimentโespecially if you get a chance to put music to film. But some things are, dramatically, known to be correct. For instance, for sad things you hear strings or pianos, you know? You canโt hear โฆ a big, crazy synthesizer coming on [laughs]. But Iโm the type of composer and writer that like to make things different.
In action movies, every time thereโs a fight scene, you always hear this techno-sounding music, but my idea was make the music slow sometimes for a fight scene and let the action speak for itself. โฆ To me, it worked great, because it was new, it was different.
I read somewhere that youโre directing a film now, too. Is that right?
Yeah โฆ weโre getting it ready. Iโm looking forward to thatโthatโs a dream come true, once we hit that plateau. Thatโs what weโre putting a lot of energy into right now.
Man with the Iron Fist, thatโs what itโs called?
Man with the Iron Fist, yes.
Tell me a little bit about it.
Well, I donโt want to talk too much about it because, you know, a movie takes so long to come out, and I donโt want to have someone else making my movie [laughs], but itโs definitely a unique blend of hip-hop, martial arts and my way of looking at certain things, you know?
I read somewhere that when Wu-Tang was first starting out, you told the rest of the guys in the group that if they let you be in charge for five years, by the end of that five years, you guys would be the biggest music group in the world, and that five years ended right at the time when Wu-Tang Forever came out and debuted at No. 1. Is that a true story?
Thatโs a true story.
How did you have that vision? How did you know how to have that plan?
A few thingsโI probably wonโt be able to accurately explain it all now because time has elapsedโbut one thing I knew was that I had the illest MCs and the best talent right in my fist, you know what I mean? And I knew that I also was the best at what I was doing. I had a chance to meet a lot of guys that was doing itโand no disrespect to them, a lot of them inspired me, and theyโre great in their own rightโbut at that present time โฆ I felt that nobody was making hip hop like I was making hip hopโhip hop that make you want to kick a window in, you know what I mean?
I just felt like nobody felt like that, because maybe they wasnโt going through the same kind of hell I was going through, the same kind depression, oppressionโone thing about Wu-Tang, we had to come up and get here or we was going to be dead or in jail, you know what I mean? And I fully had that stirring in me โฆ and I knew that it was going to take time. I studied books and I realized that things happen in cycles and circles. I was reading the I Ching at that time as well, so I calculated about five years. I said, just give me five yearsโand I made the contracts for five years. And I said, โWithin the five years of that contract, by the time it expires, when we get to that point, weโll be No. 1.โ And we did it. It happened.
